Facebook and image rights

I put this on the NAIA forum but wanted to get opinions here as well from people who know how to work the Facebook thing, thanks for any info.

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I've been looking into signing up for Facebook. Here is something I have heard about FB, and it has always given me pause. This line, in their Terms:

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You own all of the content and information you post on Facebook, and you can control how it is shared through your privacy and application settings. In addition:
For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.
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In effect, this gives them permission to use any photo I post to their site in any manner they want, for free. But I'm wondering about the part that says "you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings". Does that mean there is something in the settings that would NOT allow FB to use my work for free?

I also don't get the difference between the personal and the business pages, but I could probably figure it out. I'm just not interested in putting my actual art images on their site for them to use for free. (Do artists actually do that??) As for casual snapshots, it's still wrong for them to get all that for free, but I probably wouldn't care that much. It's the art images that I might put on the "business" page (if I set one up) that I am concerned about.

How do you FB users handle this?

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  • I'm not offended.

    If you uncheck resample, the document size changes but not the pixel dimension or the file size. It's still exactly the same image with the pixels spread out or compacted. You can make an image 10,000 or one pixels per inch and as long as resample is unchecked, the image is still the same.

    If you look closely at the file size in the image size dialogue, you'll see that it doesn't change when changing resolution.

    I put an article on my web site about two weeks ago based on these misconceptions:
    http://bermangraphics.com/digital-jury-resources/300dpi-or-greater.htm

    Larry Berman

  • Larry, if the Resample Image box is deselected when changing the Resolution of an image, the dimensions of that image will also change. Although the pixel dimensions will not change in this scenario, the size will drastically change when changing from 300ppi to 72ppi. Therefore, it is not "exactly the same image" as you indicated. One cannot change the resolution of an image and its dimensions without altering the size of the file and when that is done, it is not the same image.

    Larry, I hope that I have not offended you by clarifying my comments. I normally would not have felt the need to do so. However, the mention of "misconception" and follow-up comments to every one of my posts seemed to imply (at least to me) that I did not know what I was talking about. It would be easy for someone not familiar with image sizing and editing to misinterpret your statements. I teach several Photoshop seminars every year and do not need others to think that I am operating under some misconception, or that I don't know what I'm talking about. Thus, my reason for the continued explanations. If I offended you, I am truly sorry and hope you will forgive me.

  • Pixel dimensions only change if you don't uncheck the resample box, which is checked by default.

    Larry Berman

  • Larry, pixel dimensions do change when an image is resized from 72ppi to 300ppi, thus making a major difference in file size and this is what is important for individuals to understand. In this scenario, the overall image size remains the same, but since more pixels are being added to the equation, the pixel dimension will change. To say that there is no difference in file size between 72ppi and 300ppi as long as pixel dimensions don't change, while true, can be very confusing to the average individual.

  • Thanks for all the input. I tend to agree that small images sizes and a watermark of some sort are the way to go with images on the web, no matter where. As for Facebook's language, yes, they are protecting themselves, but they are also saying they can do whatever they want with your image, for free.

    For a hobby, I often read complete user agreements on many of the things I've "agreed" to. It's fun! Credit card agreements, iTunes agreements, Facebook agreements, insurance policies, and others. After reading those, and seeing how the scales balance as to who has the advantage, well, we lose.

  • Another misconception. There is no difference in file size between 72ppi and 300ppi. As long as the pixel dimensions don't change, they are exactly the same image.

    Larry Berman
  • Thanks for you input, Larry. Good point regarding removal of watermark and intent to steal. Having said that, I have a good friend whose image was actually scanned from a stock company's catalog and used in a major, nation-wide add campaign. Cost the offending company $90,000. I would love for someone with a lot of money to steal one of my images. As for 72ppi, you know that and I know that. However, many are not aware of the larger file size created with a 300ppi image and the difficulties that may arise when attempting to upload it to the internet, or sending it as an email attachment.

    Weldon Lee

    http://www.weldonlee.com

    303-747-2074

  • The 72PPI is irrelevant. It's only the actual pixel dimensions that determine the size. Resolution can be changed non destructively, meaning you can interchange the resolution between 72PPi and 300PPI without changing the image. It's the pixel dimensions in height and width that determine the size and quality that an image can be printed.

    And I do recommend adding your copyright as a text layer because removing it, though easy, shows intent to steal. And not removing it may bring you future business.

    Larry Berman
    http://BermanGraphics.com
    412-401-8100

  • JoAnne, copyright info can easily be added to an image using Photoshop, or similar. However, I wouldn't consider adding it to my images. First, it distracts from my images; and second, it's very easy to remove by anyone with a basic knowledge of Photoshop. Your safest bet, it to do as Geoff Coe recommended, size your images as follows: 72ppi and no more the 360ppi across the widest dimension. I use 400ppi.

  • thanks Larry!

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